**UPDATE** Please be advized that Amazing Discoveries is issuing an official statement and full details of the situation shortly. Please stay tuned. The statement will be available on our website and facebook soon. Note: Walter Veith is NOT in jail.
Thank you for your prayers. They are surely needed at this time.
* update 2 added from the parties who are doing the suing (I do not agree with or support their statements, this is simply for your information. Thank you to the poster)… I have added it to the end of at this article.
Please pray for Walter. While I don’t necessarily agree with him on all his theology, he certainly is not a anti-Semitic in his teaching. I am unsure on the details, beyond these two letters:
Message from Pastor Veith – From: DC Spencer <email@example.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:03:48 +0200
Subject: Feedback after SMS re Walter Veith
Walter Veith wrote (28 Nov, 2012)
Concerning legal proceedings against myself in Germany:
A case of sedition (incitement against the government) has been lodged against me for apparent anti Semitic statements in my lecture on Daniel 11 (see my response below). It is probable that the people who lodged the complaint are the group from EANN (the German equivalent of SPECTRUM MAGAZINE) because they propagated such action immediately after the lecture. “Spectrum” is our liberal magazine whose first editor claimed that the visions that Ellen White received were as a result of epileptic attacks so the rest of their theology can be deduced from sentiments such as these.
There is no court case as yet, only the charge has been lodged. The police have made their enquiries, and it is up to the government now to decide whether they have a case and this will take until January — then we will know. Ellen White predicted that such things would happen so I am of good spirits because it proves the Spirit of Prophecy right. I have accepted that the matter is now in the hands of the Government and trust that God is in control. Below a few ‘epileptic attacks’ to give us hope and courage.
Dear Brethren in Germany
I wish to briefly respond to the allegations of anti Semitism during my recent visit to Germany.
Let me assure you brethren that I am not by any stretch of the imagination an Anti Semite. Indeed, any form of racism is abhorrent to me and having grown up in South Africa I have firsthand experience regarding this issue and have been an ardent campaigner against racist injustice all my life. Also, as South African, I was probably not attuned to the hypersensitivity of the current German nation regarding the injustices perpetrated on the Jews by the N a z i regime and my comments have thus been misinterpreted. As you well know, German is not my first language and I believe that some of the supposed statements regarding belittling remarks such as “gelbes Tuechlein” stem from my linguistic inadequacy in this department and certainly not from malicious intent as some hope to surmise. Moreover, the treatment the Jews received in Germany and for that matter from many other nations as well can only be described as diabolical and there was certainly historic ‘herding’ involved to the shame of all who practiced it. Moreover, ‘herding’ is the modus operandi of Christ’s adversary, who is herding the whole world into a collective mindset which will result in the final persecution of God’s antitypical Israel. This is not a conspiracy theory but a prophetic reality and the Spirit of Prophecy warns that if we associate with those who war against Christ we will soon come to see matters in the same light as they and lose our discernment. I plead with you dear brethren to note the serious times we are living in and heed the warnings that God has so graciously given us through the Spirit of Prophecy.
The purpose of the lecture was to show that literal Israel (both physically and theologically) can in no way represent the ‘Spiritual Israel’ of the Bible and that any theological gymnastics to the contrary cannot negate this fact. Indeed this is the Advent position and stands contrary to most modern theological views held by other evangelicals. My purpose was not to attack the Jews but to defend the Advent position. Of necessity the Advent position will create controversy as it stands in juxtaposition to all other views. It is my sincere wish that that all people, including the Jews, will accept the Advent position which glorifies Christ and firmly establishes Him as Saviour and Ruler of the ‘Israel of God’.
Since it is obvious that some misconstrued my comments as derogatory to the Jews I again wish to reiterate that that was not my intent and I sincerely apologize if it came across that way.
Hopefully this matter can now be laid to rest.
Your brother in Christ,
These are the charges and an official statement of the Free Church on the subject. It is a translation from German, so some of it may sound strange. I assuming they are saying an interpretation of the 3 frogs of Rev 16 is not important. I believe Uriah Smith has the same interpretation (click on the shop to download the free PDF and go revelation 16). It seems the Adventist pioneers would be up on the same charges that Walter is on. Signs of the times indeed. Here is their statement:
[Collonges-sous-Salève Cedex / France (APD)] The heads of the Free Church leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Germany (North and South German federation), Austria and German-speaking Switzerland have, during a session at the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary in Collonges / France together near Geneva, a “Re-statement of the Seventh-day Adventist to every form of anti-Semitism” was adopted. The boards consist of the President, his deputy and also Secretary (CEO) and the Treasurer.
The opinion of the “Declaration of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Germany and Austria 60th Anniversary of the end of World War II “in May in the 2005 reference. Is the Adventist church leaders known in both countries their failure during the Nazi dictatorship.
In the Declaration of 2005 was “deeply deplored” that it had during the Nazi era in Adventist publications statements given to the Jewish people that “the racist ideology of anti-Semitism gave expression in a way that unbelievable from today’s perspective” is. Apart from some positive exceptions, “many Seventh-day Adventists to the plight and the suffering of their fellow Jews do not share” would have taken. They are “marginalized and excluded, left to itself, and so delivered imprisonment, banishment or death” was. Known why the church leaders, “that we have become to the Jewish people … guilty.” They wanted to continue, “strongly” to enter, “that no one is excluded because of race, religion, nationality or gender and disadvantaged.” Should also “the past is not forgotten,” advised “but as a lasting memorial to us today before our eyes” stand.
“These words make clear,” it says in a new statement that “we firmly reject as Seventh-day Adventists do not tolerate any anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic remarks in our communities.”
Reason is the opinion of the lecture “king of the north”, Part 2, by Dr. Walter Veith, an Adventist from South Africa, on 20 October 2012 in Nuremberg held and was also webcast. “In it, he defended the thesis that Freemasons and Jesuits had used the Nazi era, the Jews finally get to Palestine to Christianity get distracted from the real biblical statements and misled,” said the statement. Embedded in this “conspiracy theory” approach using the speaker terms, such as “Verherdung” of the Jews in the sense of cooperation and bustle. He also plays down the Star of David as a “yellow handkerchief”. “We believe that such designations antisemitic discriminatory and get a criminal trivializing the Nazi reign of terror, very close.”
The Adventist church leaders emphasize: “We dissociate decided by such statements and conspiracy. We see this as not our mission to evangelize. Here is a speculative worldview is widespread, there is no basis in the Bible and the real purpose of the gospel distracting. Moreover, that the manner of the presentation is not an ethically justifiable dealing with other religions. “The Adventist departments and municipalities will encouraged to ensure” that such events take place either in our name nor in our premises. ”
Walter Veith, born in 1949, received his Ph.D. in 1979 from the University of Cape Town about the diet of the fish clip Clinus superciliosus in the embryonic state. At South African universities he held for a time as a professor lectures in zoology and physiology. Mid-1980s he joined in South Africa at the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Veith, who speaks German, developed lectures on creationism (belief in creation), nutrition and biblical end-time prophecy, which he holds in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. He works closely with the private, independent of the Free Church Association “Amazing Discoveries” together, offering to buy recordings of his lectures.
The following is the text of the statement:
Renewed opinion of the Seventh-day Adventist to every form of anti-Semitism
As church leaders, we recall the “Declaration of the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Germany and Austria for the 60th Anniversary of the end of World War II “in May 2005. Is the Adventist church leaders admit their failure in Germany and Austria during the Nazi dictatorship.
The statement deeply laments that at that time in Adventist publications gave statements to the Jewish people that “the racist ideology of anti-Semitism gave expression in a way that unbelievable from today’s perspective” is. Apart from some positive exceptions, took “many Seventh-day Adventists to the plight and the suffering of their Jewish fellow citizens no part.” They were “marginalized and excluded, be left alone and so delivered imprisonment, banishment or death.” Known why the church leaders, “that we have become to the Jewish people … guilty.” They announced their intention, “strongly” to enter, “that no one is excluded because of race, religion, nationality or gender and disadvantaged.” Also to “the past is not forgotten,” advised, “but as a lasting memorial to us today before our eyes” stand.
These words make it clear that we as Seventh-day Adventists strongly oppose any anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic comments not tolerate in our communities.
Walter Veith held on 20.10.2012 in Nuremberg the talk “king of the north (2)”, which was also broadcast on the Internet. In it, he defended the thesis that Freemasons and Jesuits had used the Nazi era, to bring the Jews to finally to Palestine so that the Christians get distracted from the real biblical statements and misled.
Embedded in this conspiracy theory approach the speaker terms, such as “Verherdung” the Jews used in the sense of cooperation and bustle. He also played down the Star of David as a “yellow handkerchief”. We believe that such designations are anti-Semitic, discriminatory or view a criminal trivializing the Nazi reign of terror is very close.
We dissociate decided by such statements and conspiracy. We see this as not our mission to evangelize. Here is a speculative worldview is widespread, there is no basis in the Bible and the real purpose of the gospel distracting. Moreover, that the manner of the presentation is not an ethically justifiable dealing with other religions. For this reason we encourage our departments and municipalities to ensure that such events take place either in our name nor in our premises.
Collonges / France, 07.11.2012
The boards of
Free Church of Seventh-day Adventists in Germany, North and South German Association
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Austria
Free Church of Seventh-day Adventists, German Swiss Association